Dear ParGram members,
Is there a Spanish grammar implemented with LFG? (I looked in the wiki but didn't find anything.)
If there is one, has it been used in any "writing coaching" (aka grammar coaching, CALL) initiatives?
Many thanks,
Hi,
Martin Forst had a small Spanish grammar going. It would in fact be great if he could put it on-line somewhere for people to take and enlarge (@Tracy — do you have his email address?).
Beyond that I think there have only been a few toy grammars.
I don’t think anything has been done on LFG CALL beyond in German and English and I think there is much more scope in CALL for the LFG type of “precision grammars” than most other areas of NLP these days and I would be very glad to see stuff happen in that area (and would be willing to help).
Best,
Miriam
On 11. Aug 2021, at 13:32, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com wrote:
Dear ParGram members,
Is there a Spanish grammar implemented with LFG? (I looked in the wiki but didn't find anything.)
If there is one, has it been used in any "writing coaching" (aka grammar coaching, CALL) initiatives?
Many thanks,
Olga
************************************************************* Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company" *************************************************************
Miriam, Leonel de Alencar (in the cc, as I don't know if he's in the mailing list) has an LFG system for Portuguese that he's still working on, I believe. Best, Valeria
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM Miriam Butt miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de wrote:
Hi,
Martin Forst had a small Spanish grammar going. It would in fact be great if he could put it on-line somewhere for people to take and enlarge (@Tracy — do you have his email address?).
Beyond that I think there have only been a few toy grammars.
I don’t think anything has been done on LFG CALL beyond in German and English and I think there is much more scope in CALL for the LFG type of “precision grammars” than most other areas of NLP these days and I would be very glad to see stuff happen in that area (and would be willing to help).
Best,
Miriam
On 11. Aug 2021, at 13:32, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear ParGram members,
Is there a Spanish grammar implemented with LFG? (I looked in the wiki
but didn't find anything.)
If there is one, has it been used in any "writing coaching" (aka grammar
coaching, CALL) initiatives?
Many thanks,
Olga
Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company"
Thanks, Miriam and Valeria!
Yes, I have in fact been in contact with Leonel; he said he wasn't aware of large Spanish LFG grammars.
At the moment, I am working on a funding proposal for grammar-based CALL (since I share the opinion that CALL is an area where precision grammars could really shine). The proposal currently suggests the use of Spanish Resource Grammar (an HPSG-based grammar), but I wanted to know what is happening in the LFG space.
As for German and English CALL, which papers should I be looking at?
Best,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:07 PM Valeria de Paiva valeria.depaiva@gmail.com wrote:
Miriam, Leonel de Alencar (in the cc, as I don't know if he's in the mailing list) has an LFG system for Portuguese that he's still working on, I believe. Best, Valeria
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM Miriam Butt miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de wrote:
Hi,
Martin Forst had a small Spanish grammar going. It would in fact be great if he could put it on-line somewhere for people to take and enlarge (@Tracy — do you have his email address?).
Beyond that I think there have only been a few toy grammars.
I don’t think anything has been done on LFG CALL beyond in German and English and I think there is much more scope in CALL for the LFG type of “precision grammars” than most other areas of NLP these days and I would be very glad to see stuff happen in that area (and would be willing to help).
Best,
Miriam
On 11. Aug 2021, at 13:32, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear ParGram members,
Is there a Spanish grammar implemented with LFG? (I looked in the wiki
but didn't find anything.)
If there is one, has it been used in any "writing coaching" (aka
grammar coaching, CALL) initiatives?
Many thanks,
Olga
Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company"
Hi,
I had an MA student at UMIST (Rafiq Khader) who did his MA on this topic. Tracy and I implemented the corresponding grammar and it is available to play with on the INESS xle-web site. It’s called CALL English. The research is summarized in the attached PPT.
Christian Fortmann did some work on CALL for German.
https://isca-speech.org/archive_open/archive_papers/icall2004/iic4_015.pdf
Melanie Seiss did a PhD with me on Murrinh-Patha and in the second part she implemented stuff for language learning.
https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/32188
There should be all sorts of refs in that.
Also in my first Grammar Development lesson that I usually do, I go through CALL as a motivating example. I attach the PDF.
Cheers,
Miriam
On 16. Aug 2021, at 17:05, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Miriam and Valeria!
Yes, I have in fact been in contact with Leonel; he said he wasn't aware of large Spanish LFG grammars.
At the moment, I am working on a funding proposal for grammar-based CALL (since I share the opinion that CALL is an area where precision grammars could really shine). The proposal currently suggests the use of Spanish Resource Grammar (an HPSG-based grammar), but I wanted to know what is happening in the LFG space.
As for German and English CALL, which papers should I be looking at?
Best,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:07 PM Valeria de Paiva valeria.depaiva@gmail.com wrote: Miriam, Leonel de Alencar (in the cc, as I don't know if he's in the mailing list) has an LFG system for Portuguese that he's still working on, I believe. Best, Valeria
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM Miriam Butt miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de wrote: Hi,
Martin Forst had a small Spanish grammar going. It would in fact be great if he could put it on-line somewhere for people to take and enlarge (@Tracy — do you have his email address?).
Beyond that I think there have only been a few toy grammars.
I don’t think anything has been done on LFG CALL beyond in German and English and I think there is much more scope in CALL for the LFG type of “precision grammars” than most other areas of NLP these days and I would be very glad to see stuff happen in that area (and would be willing to help).
Best,
Miriam
On 11. Aug 2021, at 13:32, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com wrote:
Dear ParGram members,
Is there a Spanish grammar implemented with LFG? (I looked in the wiki but didn't find anything.)
If there is one, has it been used in any "writing coaching" (aka grammar coaching, CALL) initiatives?
Many thanks,
Olga
Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company"
-- Olga
************************************************************* Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company" *************************************************************
Many years ago, Marikka Rypa and Ken Feuerman had a project called CALLE for Spanish language learning, using the predecessor to XLE, the Grammar Writer's Workbench. There are a few papers on it, including this one from 1987:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24156697
- Mary
________________________________ From: ParGram pargram-bounces@mailman.uni-konstanz.de on behalf of Miriam Butt miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de Sent: 16 August 2021 22:33 To: Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com Cc: pargram@mailman.uni-konstanz.de pargram@mailman.uni-konstanz.de Subject: Re: [ParGram] Spanish grammar?
Hi,
I had an MA student at UMIST (Rafiq Khader) who did his MA on this topic. Tracy and I implemented the corresponding grammar and it is available to play with on the INESS xle-web site. It’s called CALL English. The research is summarized in the attached PPT.
Christian Fortmann did some work on CALL for German.
https://isca-speech.org/archive_open/archive_papers/icall2004/iic4_015.pdf
Melanie Seiss did a PhD with me on Murrinh-Patha and in the second part she implemented stuff for language learning.
https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/32188
There should be all sorts of refs in that.
Also in my first Grammar Development lesson that I usually do, I go through CALL as a motivating example. I attach the PDF.
Cheers,
Miriam
On 16. Aug 2021, at 17:05, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Miriam and Valeria!
Yes, I have in fact been in contact with Leonel; he said he wasn't aware of large Spanish LFG grammars.
At the moment, I am working on a funding proposal for grammar-based CALL (since I share the opinion that CALL is an area where precision grammars could really shine). The proposal currently suggests the use of Spanish Resource Grammar (an HPSG-based grammar), but I wanted to know what is happening in the LFG space.
As for German and English CALL, which papers should I be looking at?
Best,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:07 PM Valeria de Paiva valeria.depaiva@gmail.com wrote: Miriam, Leonel de Alencar (in the cc, as I don't know if he's in the mailing list) has an LFG system for Portuguese that he's still working on, I believe. Best, Valeria
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM Miriam Butt miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de wrote: Hi,
Martin Forst had a small Spanish grammar going. It would in fact be great if he could put it on-line somewhere for people to take and enlarge (@Tracy — do you have his email address?).
Beyond that I think there have only been a few toy grammars.
I don’t think anything has been done on LFG CALL beyond in German and English and I think there is much more scope in CALL for the LFG type of “precision grammars” than most other areas of NLP these days and I would be very glad to see stuff happen in that area (and would be willing to help).
Best,
Miriam
On 11. Aug 2021, at 13:32, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com wrote:
Dear ParGram members,
Is there a Spanish grammar implemented with LFG? (I looked in the wiki but didn't find anything.)
If there is one, has it been used in any "writing coaching" (aka grammar coaching, CALL) initiatives?
Many thanks,
Olga
Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company"
-- Olga
************************************************************* Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company" *************************************************************
Around 1990-1992, I (along with David Evans and several students) had a really nice Japanese CALL system, not using XLE, but using LFG-like grammars in the Tomita parser with pseudo-unification. I'm sure no code is available, but there are many project reports and a few published papers.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 5:34 PM Miriam Butt miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de wrote:
Hi,
I had an MA student at UMIST (Rafiq Khader) who did his MA on this topic. Tracy and I implemented the corresponding grammar and it is available to play with on the INESS xle-web site. It’s called CALL English. The research is summarized in the attached PPT.
Christian Fortmann did some work on CALL for German.
https://isca-speech.org/archive_open/archive_papers/icall2004/iic4_015.pdf
Melanie Seiss did a PhD with me on Murrinh-Patha and in the second part she implemented stuff for language learning.
https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/32188
There should be all sorts of refs in that.
Also in my first Grammar Development lesson that I usually do, I go through CALL as a motivating example. I attach the PDF.
Cheers,
Miriam
On 16. Aug 2021, at 17:05, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks, Miriam and Valeria!
Yes, I have in fact been in contact with Leonel; he said he wasn't aware
of large Spanish LFG grammars.
At the moment, I am working on a funding proposal for grammar-based CALL
(since I share the opinion that CALL is an area where precision grammars could really shine). The proposal currently suggests the use of Spanish Resource Grammar (an HPSG-based grammar), but I wanted to know what is happening in the LFG space.
As for German and English CALL, which papers should I be looking at?
Best,
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:07 PM Valeria de Paiva <
valeria.depaiva@gmail.com> wrote:
Miriam, Leonel de Alencar (in the cc, as I don't know if he's in the mailing
list) has an LFG system for Portuguese that he's still working on, I believe.
Best, Valeria
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM Miriam Butt <
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
Hi,
Martin Forst had a small Spanish grammar going. It would in fact be
great if he could put it on-line somewhere for people to take and enlarge (@Tracy — do you have his email address?).
Beyond that I think there have only been a few toy grammars.
I don’t think anything has been done on LFG CALL beyond in German and
English and I think there is much more scope in CALL for the LFG type of “precision grammars” than most other areas of NLP these days and I would be very glad to see stuff happen in that area (and would be willing to help).
Best,
Miriam
On 11. Aug 2021, at 13:32, Olga Zamaraeva olga.zamaraeva@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear ParGram members,
Is there a Spanish grammar implemented with LFG? (I looked in the wiki
but didn't find anything.)
If there is one, has it been used in any "writing coaching" (aka
grammar coaching, CALL) initiatives?
Many thanks,
Olga
Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India
until
the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the
East India
Company"
-- Olga
Miriam Butt Department of Linguistics University of Konstanz Fach 184 Tel: +49 7531 88 5109 78457 Konstanz Fax: +49 7531 88 4865 Germany +49 7531 88 5115
miriam.butt@uni-konstanz.de https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/butt/
“One of the very first Indian words to enter the English language was the HIndustani slang for plunder: loot. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, this word was rarely heard outside the plains of north India until the late eighteenth century, when it suddenly became a common term across Britain."
William Dalrymple, p. xxiii, "The Anarchy: The Relentless Rise of the East India Company"
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